Interactive Brokers (per TradeStation global)

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Re: Interactive Brokers (per TradeStation global)

Standartinė kajatonas » Tre Bal 07, 2021 3:18 pm

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Na va. pavyko susitvarkyti su dokumentais, užsiregistruoti ir kažką nusipirkti iš IBKR per Captrader'i. Kolkas viskas pagal plana - už VWCE ~2 EUR.
Šaunu, bet tu kaip suprantu prieš tai neturėjai nei IB nei TSG paskyros ir registravais kaip naujas naudotojas tiesiogiai per CapTrader platformą, tiesa? Kiek laiko užtruko procesas? Galbūt teko bendrauti su CapTrader supportu ir turi kokių atsiliepimų?
Taip aš naujas. Nesu turėjęs kito brokerio apart swedbank, tai reikia dar perprasti. Grubiai nuo pradžios viskas užtruko ~3 dienas. Supporto neturiu su kuo palyginti, turejau klausima - gavau atsakyma. Kolkas viskas ok, pratinuosi prie IBKR platformos.

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Standartinė SpiriT » Tre Bal 07, 2021 7:10 pm

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Ką tik gavau tokį laiškelį iš IB. Esu tas klientas, kur prieš ~2mėn perėjau pilnai iš TSG į IB:
We are sending this notice as a reminder that your account will soon be subject to a monthly activity fee that is intended to offset the costs of maintaining inactive accounts. The fee of USD 10 per month, or USD 20 if your account balance is below USD 2,000, is waived during your first three months following the funding of your account to allow you time to familiarize yourself with our platform.

Please note that the fee is offset by any commissions you generate during the month. In addition, the fee may be reduced if your account balance is in excess of USD 100,000 or you are age 25 or younger.
O kur cia sita zinute gavai? Ir cia buvai is tu, kurie uzpilde papildomai prasyma ar tiesiog nieko nedare ir unsubscribino TS?

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Standartinė amd » Tre Bal 07, 2021 7:50 pm

SpiriT rašė:
Tre Bal 07, 2021 7:10 pm
O kur cia sita zinute gavai? Ir cia buvai is tu, kurie uzpilde papildomai prasyma ar tiesiog nieko nedare ir unsubscribino TS?
Gavau asmeninę žinutę prisiloginęs IB. Emeilu tokia neatvažiavo. Aš iš tų, kur pildžiau prašymą dėl perkėlimo.

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Standartinė Wartez » Ket Bal 08, 2021 5:37 pm

Sveiki,

Domina IBKR draudimo klausimai, jeigu IBKR bankrutuotu, ar mano ETF'ai bei akcijos taip pat nukentetu? Ar tai yra man priklausantis turtas ir tokiu atveju tiesiog reiketu persimest turta pas kita brokeri?
Kaip suprantu, apdrausti yra tik grynieji pinigai IBKR saskaitoje iki tam tikros ribos?

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Standartinė laurizas » Pen Bal 09, 2021 10:35 am

Jei brokeris bankrutuoja, bet machinacijų nevykdė, tai problemų nebus. Bus problemų tada, kai brokeris nesilaikė teisės aktų reikalavimų apskaitydamas ir saugodamas vertybinius popierius, liaudiškai tariant apvogė investuotojus. Tada įsijungia draudimas.
https://www.bankeronwheels.com/how-to-c ... ck-broker/

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Standartinė Saulius. » Tre Bal 14, 2021 7:04 pm

Sveiki,
Ar galima atsidaryti demo saskaita ( IBKR ar Captrader (kaip supratau be men mokescio vietoj Tradestation)? Kaip supratau tai butu paper trading, nes demo duoda tik paziureti kaip viskas atrodo. Bandziau bet kazkodel paper trading neduoda

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Standartinė Saulius. » Ket Bal 15, 2021 9:11 am

Saulius. rašė:
Tre Bal 14, 2021 7:04 pm
Sveiki,
Ar galima atsidaryti demo saskaita ( IBKR ar Captrader (kaip supratau be men mokescio vietoj Tradestation)? Kaip supratau tai butu paper trading, nes demo duoda tik paziureti kaip viskas atrodo. Bandziau bet kazkodel paper trading neduoda
Jau Captrader paskelbe:
Note: Access to a paper trading account is only possible once your live account has been confirmed and credited.

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Standartinė Citi » Ket Bal 15, 2021 11:58 am

Wartez rašė:
Ket Bal 08, 2021 5:37 pm
Sveiki,
Domina IBKR draudimo klausimai, jeigu IBKR bankrutuotu, ar mano ETF'ai bei akcijos taip pat nukentetu? Ar tai yra man priklausantis turtas ir tokiu atveju tiesiog reiketu persimest turta pas kita brokeri?
Kaip suprantu, apdrausti yra tik grynieji pinigai IBKR saskaitoje iki tam tikros ribos?
laurizas rašė:
Pen Bal 09, 2021 10:35 am
Jei brokeris bankrutuoja, bet machinacijų nevykdė, tai problemų nebus. Bus problemų tada, kai brokeris nesilaikė teisės aktų reikalavimų apskaitydamas ir saugodamas vertybinius popierius, liaudiškai tariant apvogė investuotojus. Tada įsijungia draudimas.
https://www.bankeronwheels.com/how-to-c ... ck-broker/
Nebūtinai. Tačiau, turiu išsisaugojęs tokį labai ilgą pdf su pavadinimu: "(IN)SECURITIES: Why Your Stocks and Bonds Are No Longer Your Property, by Casey Reseach". Tai detalus aptarimas teisinės bazės, brokerių bankroto istorijų ir rizikų, kylančių brokerių klientams. Gaila, nerandu jau jokio linko į šią publikaciją internete, nes ji apie 2012 metų.
Galėčiau pasidalinti PDF el. paštu, trumpą summary galima rasti:
https://internationalman.com/articles/t ... ng-direct/

Nenoriu praleisti 3 valandų rašydamas minėto straipsnio santraupą, bet 2012 metų duomenimis "asset segragation" neveikė taip gerai, kaip norėtųsi.
Todėl, kad akcijos ir kiti vertybiniai popieriai depozitoriumuose laikomi ne investuotojų vardu, bet VISI brokerio vardu. Brokeris gali skolinti ir perskolinti klientų vertybinius popierius, jei jie naudojasi marža (žr. į brokerio User Agreement). Brokerio bankroto atveju pirma tenkinami kreditorių reikalavimai, kuriems naudotas klientų turtas kaip užstatas, o tik tada likutis "pro rata" principu, paskirstomas brokerio klientams (net jei ir nesinaudojai marža, vistiek VISI verybiniai popieriai sumetami į vieną krūva brokerio vardu).

Išstrauka iš PDF:
Instances such as Sentinel and North American Clearing defy common sense, and they will come as a shock to the average investor. Yet they would not have been much of a surprise to anyone familiar with an exchange that took place between the EU Clearing and Settlement Legal Certainty Group and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York a couple of years earlier. It requires some digging, but the document is available in the European Union public record. It is a detailed response to a comprehensive questionnaire submitted by the Legal Certainty Group to US authorities. The response was prepared by attorneys working for the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. One could not hope for a more authoritative source. Below are some of the questions from the 2005 questionnaire sent by the EU Legal Certainty Group, paired with the NY Fed’s responses, which were returned in March 2006. Both are unedited. Note: The “Article 8” referred to here is from the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC). We will cover its provisions in depth later on (see Chapter 6). Our commentary is bracketed.

Q (EU): Where securities are held in pooled form (e.g. a collective securities position, rather than segregated individual positions per person), does the investor have rights attaching to particular securities in the pool?
A (NY Fed): No. The security entitlement holder does not have rights attaching to particular securities in the pool, he has a pro rata share of the interests in the financial asset held by its securities intermediary to the amount needed to satisfy the aggregate claims of the entitlement holders in that issue. This is true even if investor positions are “segregated.”
[I.e., you don’t own a share of stock you paid for; you only own an “entitlement” to that share, and your claim on it may be challenged by another holder’s claim on the same share, even if your shares are supposedly protected by segregation.]

Q: Is the investor protected against the insolvency of an intermediary and, if so, how?
A: Under Article 8, an investor is protected against the insolvency of its securities intermediary insofar as the security entitlements credited to the investor’s securities account are not part of the securities intermediary’s bankruptcy estate (and likewise, an investor is protected from the insolvency of an upper-tier intermediary). However, an investor is always vulnerable to a securities intermediary that does not itself have interests in a financial asset sufficient to cover all of the securities entitlements that it has created in that financial asset. This is best illustrated by example: if a securities intermediary (SI) becomes insolvent, and it is discovered that SI created total security entitlements to 500 shares of Company X in the securities accounts of 5 entitlement holders … on SI’s books, but that SI itself had a security entitlement of only 100 shares of Company X on the books of an upper-tier securities intermediary, under Article 8, each entitlement holder holding through SI would only get 20 shares of Company X, i.e., its pro rata share of SI’s interest in Company X. The interests of an entitlement holder in the financial assets trump the interests of any of the securities intermediary’s creditors that have a security interest in the same financial asset. Note that this rule has two exceptions. If the secured creditor has “control” over the financial asset it will have priority over entitlement holders who have securities entitlement with respect to that financial asset. If the securities intermediary is a clearing corporation, the claims of its creditors have priority over the claims of entitlement holders.
[I.e., if your broker pledges any portion of the securities in the pool in which “your” securities are held, in an insolvency you only get back a pro rata portion of the residual after the secured creditors take “their” collateral from the pool. The third paragraph would appear at first glance to favor the individual, but it doesn’t, because “control” merely means any valid contract—and that’s something secured creditors always make sure they have.]

Q: What rules protect a transferee acting in good faith?
A: Article 8 protects a purchaser of a financial asset against claims of an entitlement holder to a property interest in that financial asset, by limiting the entitlement holder’s ability to enforce that claim against the purchaser to those instances where: (i) the securities intermediary is insolvent, (ii) the securities intermediary does not have sufficient interests in the financial asset to satisfy the security entitlements of all of its entitlement holders to that asset, (iii) the securities intermediary violated its obligation to keep sufficient interests in the financial asset by transferring it to the purchaser, and (iv) the purchaser either (a) didn’t give value, (b) didn’t obtain control, or (c) colluded with the securities intermediary in its failure to meet the obligation to hold sufficient financial assets to satisfy all of its entitlement holders’ security entitlements in such financial asset. Essentially, unless the purchaser was involved in the wrongdoing of the securities intermediary, an entitlement holder will be precluded from raising a claim against it.
[I.e., you cannot prevail in a suit to get your securities back from a secured creditor unless that creditor can be found in court to have knowingly participated in the fraud, something that has not generally proven possible.]

Q: How are shortfalls (i.e. the intermediary’s position with an uppertier intermediary is less than the aggregate recorded position of the intermediary’s account-holders) handled in practice?
A: In the general terms of Article 8, a shortfall should not happen. A securities intermediary may not create security entitlements greater than its interests in a particular security. A securities intermediary could obviously violate that requirement. The only rule in such instances is that the security entitlement holders simply share pro rata in the interests held by the securities intermediary. That rule applies at each level. That is, the holdings of each securities intermediary holding a security entitlement through an upper-tier intermediary will be reduced to its pro rata share of the uppertier securities intermediary’s holdings. In turn, each entitlement holder holding through one of those securities intermediary will have its holdings reduced to its pro rata share of its securities intermediary’s holdings … In actual fact, shortfalls occur frequently due to fails and for other reasons, but are of no general consequence except in the case of the securities intermediary’s insolvency.
[I.e., it is recognized that shortfalls (even though they “occur frequently”) are “of no general consequence” except in an insolvency of a securities intermediary, in which case it is emphasized that entitlement holders simply share pro rata in the residual holdings of the intermediary.]

Q: Does the treatment of shortfalls differ according to whether there is (i) no fault on the part of the intermediary, (ii) if fault, fraud or (iv) if fault, negligence or similar breach of duty?
A: In terms of the interest that the entitlement holders have in the financial assets credited to its securities account: regardless of fault, fraud, or negligence of the securities intermediary, under Article 8, the entitlement holder has only a pro rata share in the securities intermediary’s interest in the financial asset in question.
[Ponder this for a moment: The assets in your account are merely entitlements, subject only to a pro rata distribution in the event of insolvency, whether or not fraud was involved.]
Straipnis labiausiai gilinasi į JAV rinką. EU nesu tikras ar lygiai tas pats. Be to, minėjau, kad tai 2012 metų informacija. Teisinė bazė keičiasi.
Mano asmenins požiūris: svarbu rinktis brokerį atsakingai. "Asset segragation" labiau reklama, nei garantija.
Konkrečiai Interactive Brokers respektabilus brokeris, tačiau niekad negali žinoti kas bus.

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Standartinė laurizas » Ket Bal 15, 2021 3:03 pm

Čia rašo plačiau diskutuojamu klausimu "How safe are stock broker nominee accounts?"
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Standartinė pliumbum » Ket Bal 15, 2021 4:38 pm

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Čia rašo plačiau diskutuojamu klausimu "How safe are stock broker nominee accounts?"
https://the-international-investor.com/ ... unt-safety
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