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Investicinis auksas

Parašytas: Šeš Bir 01, 2019 6:42 pm
SanDallas
Gal yra investuojančių ar žadančių tą daryti į auksą? Domina, kokiais būdais tą geriausia daryti. Pirkti investicines monetas (kur? kad nebūtų per didelių antkainių)? Investuoti į specifinius fondus ar dar kaip nors?

Re: Investicinis auksas

Parašytas: Sek Bir 02, 2019 7:24 am
Barzdocius
Bent jau kalbant apie fizini auksa, tai grynai gramo kaina geriausia yra perkant investicinius luitus. Su monetomis reikalas toks, kad teoriskai jos galetu kainuoti daugiau negu grynai auksas, nes gali tureti ir numizmatine verte. Perkant jos aisku ir kainuoja daugiau. Bet parduodant, jei nezinai ka pirkti, gali buti kad jas is taves nores supirkti kaip uz aukso lauza. Vienzo nenusimanantiems, mano galva geriau imti luitukus. Ju kaina pasidaro normalesne kazkur nuo 31-50g, todel deja gaunasi, kad reikia pirkti iskart uz nemaza suma.
Kita iseitis - yra tokiu imoniu, kurios siulo paslauga - tu kas menesi moki jiem kokia nori imoka ir perki ta diena galiojusiu kursu kazkoki tai "procenta" nuo to luito, o kai susirenki visa luita, tau atsiuncia tavo fizini aukso gabaliuka. Gaunasi toks kaip dollar cost averaging, kaip su ETFais. Dar vienas pliusas, kad yra imoniu oficialiai teikianciu tokia paslauga Lietuvoje, netgi pazistu zmoniu tokiu budu gaunanciu tuos luitus.

Re: Investicinis auksas

Parašytas: Sek Bir 02, 2019 11:56 am
SanDallas
Gal galetum ivardinti ta firma?

Re: Investicinis auksas

Parašytas: Sek Bir 02, 2019 2:56 pm
poklius
Pirkt fizinį auksą/sidabrą verta tik tada jei manai, kad pasaulį ištiks apokalipsė ar sugrius visas finansų sektorius etc.. Šiaip žiauriai neapsimoka, nes nei pirkdamas nei parduodamas negausi spot kainos, o dar saugojimas, praradimo rizikos... Imk kokį ETF'a sekantį gold kaina ir rami galva, 4GLD pvz.

Re: Investicinis auksas

Parašytas: Tre Rgp 14, 2019 12:37 pm
Fumitto
Nuo metų pradžios aukso kainos gerokai pakilo.
https://www.bullionbypost.eu/gold-price ... -per-gram/

Re: Investicinis auksas

Parašytas: Tre Rgp 14, 2019 8:53 pm
dalius
Fumitto rašė:
Tre Rgp 14, 2019 12:37 pm
Nuo metų pradžios aukso kainos gerokai pakilo.
https://www.bullionbypost.eu/gold-price ... -per-gram/
Bet dar nepasieke 11/12 metu lygio:
https://www.kitco.com/charts/popup/au3650nyb.html

O jei apie investicini auksa... jis laikomas rizikingesne investicija nei akcijos :)
O kur dar hemarojus su saugojimu (jei perki fizini auksa).

Re: Investicinis auksas

Parašytas: Sek Rgp 18, 2019 5:55 pm
Barzdocius
dali.us rašė:
Tre Rgp 14, 2019 8:53 pm
O jei apie investicini auksa... jis laikomas rizikingesne investicija nei akcijos :)
Gal galima nuoroda i saltini?

Re: Investicinis auksas

Parašytas: Pir Rgp 19, 2019 10:43 am
dalius
Barzdocius rašė:
Sek Rgp 18, 2019 5:55 pm
dali.us rašė:
Tre Rgp 14, 2019 8:53 pm
O jei apie investicini auksa... jis laikomas rizikingesne investicija nei akcijos :)
Gal galima nuoroda i saltini?
Hmm.
Pavyzdiui: AG (kontora nusiiminėjanti praktiškai išimtinai investicinio aukso ir sidabro prekyba) savo siūlomu investiciniu produktu rizika aprašo 7/7.
https://www.amsterdamgold.com/en/documents

Didžioji dalis MSCI indeksu turi tarp 3/7 ir 5/7.

Re: Investicinis auksas

Parašytas: Ant Rgp 20, 2019 5:17 am
Sitis
Visų pirma matyt reikėtų susitarti kas yra rizika.
Vienas iš pvz.: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/risk.asp
"risk often refers to the chance an outcome or investment's actual gains will differ from an expected outcome or return. Risk includes the possibility of losing some or all of an original investment."
taip pat svarbu:
"Quantifiably, risk is usually assessed by considering historical behaviors and outcomes. In finance, standard deviation is a common metric associated with risk. Standard deviation provides a measure of the volatility of a value in comparison to its historical average"
"The standard deviation is a statistic that measures the dispersion of a dataset relative to its mean and is calculated as the square root of the variance"
Tada skaitom čia:
https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/04/ ... tment.aspx
kur rašo kad:
"Over the trailing five year period through March 31, 2018 the standard deviation of gold, using ETF SPDR Gold Shares (NYSEMKT:GLD) as a proxy (more on this gold-owning ETF below), is 16. The annualized return over that span was a loss of around 4%. Putting those two numbers together, there is a reasonable probability that gold will provide a gain of between 12% and a loss of 20% in any given period. That's a pretty big range that dips soundly into negative territory. By comparison, the standard deviation of the S&P 500 Index over the same span was a little under 10 with an average annualized return of about 13%, suggesting the expected range was between a gain of 23% and a gain of 3%."

Dar vienas patvirtinti faktą apie "gold volatility" https://www.businessinsider.com/mythbus ... ity-2011-1

Ir sumoje aš pats ieškodamas pakeičiau nuomonę iš "auksas stabilus" į "auksas pakankamai rizikinga".
Bet kaip rašo vienoje iš nuorodų: "For all these reasons, it's easy to jump to the conclusion that gold is an unsafe investment. Which would be true if the only thing you owned was physical gold or gold-focused mutual funds and exchange-traded funds (ETFs). If you use gold as part of a larger, diversified investment plan, however, it is not only safe to own but can provide you with positive returns when the rest of your portfolio is struggling."

Sau konstatuoju kad turėti šiek tiek aukso per ETF'us arba gyvai yra nebloga praktika. Šiek tiek.

Re: Investicinis auksas

Parašytas: Ant Rgp 20, 2019 5:31 am
Sitis
Žiūrint kitu kampu, čia visai įdomiai parašyta KAIP investuoti į auksą:
https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/04/ ... tment.aspx
https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/04/ ... -gold.aspx

Ką jūs manot apie tai?

"Streaming: The best of the bunch?

Another option for investors is to buy a streaming and royalty company like Franco-Nevada Corp., Royal Gold Corp., or Wheaton Precious Metals. These companies provide cash up front to miners for the right to buy gold and silver in the future at contractually pre-set, reduced prices. Miners use the cash to do things like build new mines or expand existing facilities.

Rather than being miners, they are more like specialty finance companies that get paid in precious metals. The low prices they pay help to lock in wide margins regardless of the price of gold, and their investment approaches all result in wider mine diversification than you would likely get from owning a single miner. And all three of these companies have reliably paid dividends for years, which can help investors to stick around through the entire commodity cycle to achieve the full diversification benefit gold can offer. Streaming companies are probably the best all-around option if you are looking to buy gold, providing diversification, direct exposure to gold, and upside potential from the gold projects they back"

Bet spėju mums nešviečia ši opcija. Čia turbūt US investuotojui labiau...